In-house and outside counsel: A love/hate relationship

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Ravi Singhania (RS): how do you pick lawyers for your company?

Nandita Khurana (NK): When picking an outside counsel for our company, we are looking for a firm with an established track record in the practice area in question. We also want them to have an understanding of our industry, business model, company culture, and objectives. In addition, we are looking for lawyers who are genuinely concerned with safeguarding our interests and who can provide practical legal solutions suitable for our business.

RS: What are your service expectations from outside counsel?

NK: In essence, we expect them to be a strategic adviser to the company. We need counsel to provide a confident and well-thought-out solution on the issue concerned. In short, don’t present me with the options; provide me with a solution backed by your logic and experience.

RS: What kind of fee arrangement do you prefer?

NK: Billable hours are a passé. We are living in times of software and apps which provide real-time information and decision-making capabilities for live, short-term and long-term problems, as well as their financial management. We expect outside counsel to work as an extension of our in-house team and thus, expect more certainty and predictability in billings.

We prefer working with most of the outside counsel and law firms who offer alternative fee arrangements, options involving blended hourly rates, fixed fees, retainers, yearly fees, contingent fees, discounts and value-added services. We work on tight budgets and expect our law firm partners to help us manage those legal budgets.

It’s important, too, to find ways to offer more services in that money. For instance, an external legal counsel instantly becomes the apple of my eye if you are updated about my company through reading of our annual reports, news and social media. Be my trusted associate and keep an eye on what might positively or negatively affect my business to get that brownie point.

RS: Do you have different categories of law firms for different types of matters?

NK: We are living in an era of specialisation. Today, you have experts for every ailment. I see the trend is shifting towards boutique law firms that are experts in their fields and area of specialisation, be it infrastructure disputes, intellectual property, competition law, capital markets or aviation.

Therefore, we do prefer experts who have successful track record in their practice area and have experience of advising companies in our sector. It provides a better perspective, as well as saving us billable hours and a lot of spade work to make them understand what we do. A boutique firm with similar clientele in my sector has a better handle on my business, industry trends, competitors and challenges.

Ravi Singhania, managing partner, Singhania & Partners

RS: What is your process for finding new external counsel?

NK: Word of mouth is one of the most important reference criteria when hiring outside counsel. We have our own due-diligence procedures, like looking at the ratings of legal directories like The Legal 500 and, at times, checking their references from other in-house counsel who have used their services.

Cold calls and legal articles on email are helpful if they are relevant to my particular area of focus, too. Spamming my inbox won’t help either of us. Know your client (or prospective client) before sending that newsletter or requesting for a meeting.

RS: Do you prefer local lawyers more than global firms?

NK: It depends on the kind of assignment and the complexity of matter involved. For multi-jurisdictional matters like M&A and antitrust approvals, we prefer firms which have resources, coordination skills, networks and management capabilities in the chosen countries and jurisdictions.

For local compliance involving both contentious and non-contentious matters, it is always better to hire locals.

RS: Lawyers have been receiving a lot of flak from the judiciary and the users of their services for using too much legalese. What is your take on the lawyer who does not speak legal language?

NK: I always prefer plain talk over legalese in legal opinions. I do not hire an outside counsel to spend hours reading a 20-page memo full of sections and clauses. Keep the language simple, so that I can also explain it to my management and board of directors who are not lawyers. In short, don’t send me an email with an attachment where you could have explained your point in a few words and then bill the company for a memo to client. In my experience, a lot of times I have felt that it was very much possible to explain a legal position in plain English in ten bullet points than a twenty page memo.

At the end of the conversation, Khurana asked where outside counsel feel a lack of support from in-house teams, to which Singhania replied:

For me, the general counsel is the best resource I have about a company. They understand the ecosystem of the business, the board of directors, and the management. We expect them to tell us everything which is relevant in helping them legally. Do not hide vital information and have faith in us.

We do not expect GCs to be the legal experts, after all, that is why we are there! But during the conversation and discussion on legal advice and the recommended course of action, at times GCs do not like to be treated like a novice and explained basics of legal position and procedure. When we assume they know it all, at times we’ve found that they were unaware and expected hand-holding. We are there to answer your question and no question is a stupid question; please interject and ask us as much as you want to know.

You mentioned that you look at ranking bodies when hiring a law firm. Therefore, after years of dedicated service, please do give out a positive recommendation to the legal directories and don’t ignore that email from the researcher.

Lastly, I have mouths to feed and maintain the momentum of the work being done for you. Plus, we do not have big budgets and cash flows like big companies. We are tirelessly working to ensure preventive compliance for you, strategies to save you millions in disputes, and managing your mergers and acquisitions. The least that we expect is being paid on time. If we are important to you, it should be communicated to the finance teams as well.

Also, trust me that I have the best interest of your company in mind, so trust my recommendation when I bring you the bad news and you should consider settlement.

Now Playing: The Future of India and Audio Streaming

India’s distinct cultural environment has given birth to a rich music scene that is fast-growing and ever-changing, but dealing with its gargantuan population and slowly developing telecommunications infrastructure may be key to a lasting legacy.

The average internet user in India spends 21.5 hours streaming music every week – nearly four hours more than the average listener elsewhere. But translating this enormous consumer base into strong bottom-line figures remains a challenge for the industry across the board.

Relatively speaking, India was an overdue entrant into the digital space for music. The late penetration of smartphones, combined with inadequate digital infrastructure made data consumption a premium service only available to the wealthy elite.

That changed in 2016, when telecommunications giant Reliance Industries and its mobile network subsidiary, Jio, entered the market. Following a significant investment by Reliance Industries into fibre-optic networks across India in the preceding years, the launch of Jio brought with it significant disruption to the domestic mobile landscape – namely, all inclusive and unlimited mobile data.

‘Reliance came in, gave away free data, and immediately changed the consumption habits of the average Indian user,’ says Ali Sachedina, general counsel and head of business affairs at JioSaavn, a domestic digital streaming service and itself a subsidiary of Reliance Industries.

‘Before Jio launched, people in India would send a WhatsApp message, turn off their data and turn it back on to receive a message because it was insanely expensive for the average Indian to have a proper data plan. After the launch, whether you were a doctor or a rickshaw driver, people were able to live stream on their phone – whether that was music or video – giving rise to companies like our own.’

Change the Tune

The sudden availability of free data in India had a dramatic effect on the digital environment. From a standing start in 2016, India now ranks as the largest consumer of mobile data globally, helped by the fact that it also boasts the lowest prices for data consumption.

‘This has given billions of consumers access to the internet and legitimate sources of content, which is really driving the legitimate growth of digital music in India,’ says Sankalp Dalal, head of legal at Zee Music Company.

Established two years prior to Jio’s data revolution, Zee Music Company had already snapped up a large chunk of licences for Bollywood music, but saw marked growth following improvements to the availability and accessibility of mobile data.

Similarly, JioSaavn also finds its roots in Bollywood music. Created as the result of a merger between JioMusic, the digital music arm of mobile operator Jio, and Saavn, an entertainment distributor focused on Bollywood and entertainment, JioSaavn is the strongest domestic player in India, accounting for 37.8% of the streaming market. Crucially, the 2018 merger combined two key business strands vital for streaming businesses: licences and users.

With 104 million monthly active users and the rights to more than 50 million tracks, the combined entity boasts a wealth of perhaps the two most important factors in the business. Those two factors are also inextricably reliant on the ability of the company’s counsel to both establish and navigate the complex web of licences. JioSaavn works with thousands of different record labels and music publishers, requiring constant negotiation by the business and its counsel in a constantly evolving environment.

‘There are three key stakeholders in any licensing endeavour: the finance team, who model and understand what our obligations are from a revenue perspective; the content team, who handle the day-to-day operation of the labels and licensors; and the legal team, who need to align everyone’s wants and needs in the agreement,’ explains Sachedina.

‘Legal needs to work closely with the other teams when forming and reviewing the agreements. We have to consider the various implications, especially when it comes to the revenue element and the limitations on a product or service. We have to ensure that everything is aligned, before effectively expressing that to the licensor.’

As the music industry in India evolves, achieving alignment across the business functions will become increasingly imperative. Like in many growth industries, short-term profitability – particularly when the entities are well funded – is often cast aside in favour of prioritising factors that will lead to long-term revenue growth.

In the digital streaming space, expanding the userbase and catalogue of licences are the top priorities. But, unlike in other industries, the nature of licensing – particularly in a global environment in which other jurisdictions have already reached maturity – means that costs are a major consideration from the outset. Compensation is generally determined in terms of the number of times the property is streamed, meaning that for each user listening to music, there must be an associated model for contributing towards the costs incurred.

‘Margins are getting smaller. A fair amount of our revenue goes to pay content licensors, both on the music publishing and on the sound recording side. It compels us to look at other avenues of revenue generation and ways to add to our bottom line,’ says Sachedina.

‘As legal, we need to look at everything from a risk management, compliance and value-enhancement standpoint. If there’s a new pricing structure we want to address, we have to look at it through a legal lens and how it affects us in our other endeavours. This requires us to have an absolute knowledge of the business.’

Face the Music

On a global level, as the music industry shifts towards a business model predicated on mass consumption via digital streaming – one where artists are compensated based on the number of times their properties are played – the potential of India and its 1.3 billion people is vast, with international players taking notice.

‘In the past, we were able to convince labels and licensors that India operates with a very unique set of circumstances – the userbase is different and their consumption patterns are different,’ explains Sachedina.

‘Now we’re getting to a point where the labels and licensors want us to operate on the same level as other streaming services around the world.’

Driving that change has been the entrance of major global players into the Indian market. Earlier this year, Spotify and YouTube Music both officially came online in India, armed with deep pockets, expansive licences and best-in-class technology – as well as different value propositions for consumers.

‘The difficulty lies in getting your average Indian user to see value in a premium service.’

‘If there’s one challenge that any music streaming service or content licensor has, it’s YouTube. You can’t argue with its scale or that their rates are so low – after all, it’s hard to compete with free,’ says Sachedina.

‘The challenges from a content perspective are large, but it’s primarily a pricing problem. The issue is with the Indian community itself: getting them to attribute value to a platform or service that delivers music. The difficulty lies in getting your average Indian user to see value in a premium service because, quite frankly, if it’s free – why should they pay for music?’

It is this struggle to compete with ‘free’ that has dominated the conversation around digital music services, particularly in India. Services like JioSaavn offer their platform for free, but give users the option to pay a subscription fee to gain access to a premium service – unlocking exclusive music, offline features and higher quality streams, in addition to eliminating advertisements.

Out of the 150 million active music streaming users in India, those who subscribe to fee-paying platforms make up only about 1% at present.

‘There are about one million paid subscribers, meaning there’s huge growth potential there. But they need to figure out a model which appeals to the Indian consumer. In my view, streaming services in India will need to find a hybrid between subscription and advertising models in the long term,’ says Dalal.

The challenge comes in convincing consumers that the premium option is worth paying for. The widespread accessibility of music on platforms like YouTube and the sizeable amount of pirated music create substantial problems in encouraging consumers to pay a fee for the additional benefits.

‘The traditional model of the free user and the paid user was that you could download music and listen to it offline. But as connectivity increases and improves, the advantage is lost,’ says Vijay Basrur, founder of OK Listen!, a digital platform for independent artists to earn money through streaming.

‘I think a lot of businesses are now trying to have a subscriber model drawn by original content, or an equal system around music which could extend further than any existing pure streaming services. Businesses like JioSaavn, Gaana, Amazon or Apple – everything is part of a broader system play. They have the benefit of bundling the music together with other services, which helps them by not allocating the entire subscription costs.’

Beating the Black Market

Shifting consumers on to platforms for the legitimate and legal consumption of music is a potential game changer for the industry. Both premium and freemium revenue models capture market share that was previously lost to piracy, bringing new sources of revenue into the mix that were unattainable before the advent of streaming.

‘In 2008, music was primarily consumed on phones via Bluetooth and pirated tracks. Outside of that, the industry was purely physical media sold at an incredibly discounted rate – the markup was set at a bare minimum, yet there was still rampant piracy,’ says Sachedina.

Ali Sachedina, General Counsel and Vice President of Business Affairs, JioSaavn

Taking an unusual path to the top legal job at Indian streaming site JioSaavn, Sachedina discusses his journey into music.

‘Before I joined Saavn, I started my career as a criminal defence lawyer. I was obsessed with music, but moved to New York City and worked in compliance at a bank – and it wasn’t for me. It was at that time I decided I was going to jump straight into the music industry. I wrote to a guy who was managing one of the artists I really liked. I ended up becoming his intern and went from a six-figure salary to zero for two years, but I was happier than I’d ever been.

I started managing bands, but I didn’t really understand how law, music and media tied in together. Eventually, I met a lawyer who had worked in the music business for almost 40 years and was working in-house for the company that managed Aerosmith. He was an old-school, Irish lawyer who told me: “I’m not going to pay you, but what I will do is teach you everything you need to know to set up your own shop.” That’s how I started my career in the music industry – as a lawyer, at least.

I went to India for the first time in my life in 2002. Over the course of a number of trips, I started meeting artists and musicians, helping them understand their IP rights, what to look out for in terms of management deals and recording contracts. At the same time, I had a practice in New York primarily representing hip-hop artists, bands like Mobb Deep and artists out of Canada. I was working on an entire spectrum of deals – anything that came my way, I’d do it.

Working with South Asian artists, I had heard of Saavn and had even done panels with some of their members. Then I started negotiating deals against them – representing artists who were being signed to the various programmes they had. In 2017, they approached me about being their general counsel and the rest is history. I’ve been here since April 2017, so it’s not a long tenure, but it’s been an incredibly sharp learning curve for someone who was living a very rock-and-roll lifestyle as a music lawyer!’

‘Piracy was tackled really effectively by Bollywood, where there was a physical product: DVDs, CDs or tapes. They would literally have police going out and shutting down pirate stores.’

The fact that music piracy has primarily moved to the digital realm does make tackling it a more involved process, but Sachedina points to the success of shutting down illegal cricket streams as evidence that it’s a solvable problem.

‘There’s nothing bigger in India than cricket. Hotstar deliver that content exclusively and have been very effective in stopping pirate cricket and World Cup streaming through a combination of both legislative and judicial orders,’ says Sachedina.

‘Music has yet to be given that sort of push, but that is changing. One of the reasons is because music industry organisations that represent us haven’t, until recently, made it a focus. At Saavn, we’ve been proactive in speaking to labels and helping them understand that piracy is a real issue. Not only this, but it’s an issue that, if properly addressed, would be of benefit to everyone.’

Cracking down on piracy has the ability to have transformative economic effects.

In 2014, it was estimated that 99% of all music in China was obtained illegally. Subsequent action by Chinese authorities resulted in millions of songs and a swathe of websites being taken down overnight, as well as commitment to ongoing enforcement.

Since then, China’s music market has transformed. Tencent Music, the music streaming arm of Chinese internet behemoth Tencent Group, counts 644 million monthly active users across its platforms and controls more than 70% of the market. Since its 2016 launch, the business has been spun off and floated on the New York Stock Exchange, with a $24bn market cap.

‘All we have to do is look at China, who were trendsetters with what they did. The proof was in the pudding: there is immense value in tackling piracy,’ says Sachedina.

‘We’re still missing an effective judicial and legislative protocol to address piracy, but the Indian government has been incredibly receptive. They’re getting ahead of the curve, but it will require a joint effort with the industry bodies in India. We need to find a solution that maintains neutrality – not being draconian by implementing a stringent anti-piracy regime that impedes personal freedoms or access to content but, rather, a balancing act.’

While a series of legislative responses will take time to materialise and be enforced, positive signs are being seen from the judiciary in getting on top of piracy.

‘China were trendsetters with what they did… there is immense value in tackling piracy.’

‘The Indian courts are being proactive,’ says Dalal, noting that even small procedural changes can have a marked impact on the workload of counsel.

‘Recently, the Delhi High Court passed an order so that when infringing websites have been blocked, content owners only need to go to the registrar of the Court to then block any mirrored sites. You no longer need to keep going back to court to ask after an injunction for affiliated sites.’

Clear as a Bell

Barely three years on from Jio’s data revolution, India can now count itself as one of the most attractive markets for digital streaming globally. While revenue models and legislation are yet to reach maturity, the rapid development of infrastructure and subsequent change in consumption habits are causes for optimism.

‘I think we’re only just scratching the surface in terms of music’s potential in India, as now there’s an audience and an ability to reach them very easily,’ says Basrur.

‘There is an issue with revenue: monetisation can be particularly hard, especially when you deal with independent artists like we do. But we have already seen a massive change. If we take ten years as a measure of time, we have witnessed a massive shift occur in just the last two years.’

‘At present, music in India is getting around five billion streams every month. I expect that to rise to at least ten within the next couple of years, opening more opportunities for businesses and customers,’ adds Dalal.

The pace of change that has occurred in India, combined with the only very recent entrance of major global players, means that a maturation and sophistication should be expected as the industry settles in. But in order to capture that potential, ensuring that the regulations and legislation keep pace with innovation will need to be a priority.

‘We are moving at an accelerated rate, but I’m not sure that all of our infrastructure from a legal, compliance and regulatory point of view is in order; at least in a way that’s best for the Indian user,’ says Sachedina.

‘I do think that’s going to take a year or two to get ironed out and dealt with properly, but it’s getting there. I’m very optimistic about the future of streaming and content delivery.’

On notice: Teva’s entire $330m legal spend could go to one law firm

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Everything is up for grabs at Teva Pharmaceutical Industries – well, certainly from an external law firm perspective. The Israeli-based company – the largest manufacturer of generic drugs globally – recently announced that all existing law firm relationships were under review, with a view to reducing the number of law firms used and to cut costs. While conceptually, that may not seem like anything groundbreaking in and of itself, Teva has taken things further than usual – going as far as warning existing firms that it is more than conceivable that they won’t continue to be instructed.

‘Revenue growth at Teva is flat. Law firms’ rates are going up. We have to do something different – that is it in a nutshell,’ explains David Stark, chief legal officer at Teva Pharmaceutical Industries. ‘We took a run at this five years or so ago. Things were hectic back then, and there wasn’t really the ato do it, and it was incredibly time intensive.’

The company’s well-documented cuts took place from late 2017, and the legal team was instructed to align legal spend with the wider business. A year ago, in mid-2018, the process of reducing outside counsel spend began.

‘The company had been in an acquisition phase leading up to this, and when you acquire companies, you acquire law firms.’ When pressed on how many law firms Teva uses, Stark admits it is many hundreds (our own research at The Legal 500 suggests around 700 in total). ‘The ultimate goal would be to use just one, but in the short term, that is just unrealistic. But we can make a significant reduction, even by 50% in year one.’

The process began with Teva writing to all of its outside counsel, informing them of the company’s review process and the reasons underpinning the exercise.

‘We wanted to have transparency, we wanted the firms to know what we were doing,’ says Stark. ‘With some firms, we have very strong relationships. It’s no comment on our current firms, but we aren’t going to move work around for the sake of it. It’s got to be a compelling reason, at a similar or lower cost. Firms that we are currently working with should see this as an opportunity.’

Knowing law firms as we do, this must have come as something of a shock – so how did they react?

‘A mixed bag, to be honest. Firms that are doing a lot of work for us, to be honest, don’t like it. They see it as a big ask, to effectively go through the pitch process again,’ says Stark. ‘Firms that do a little bit of work for us are the ones that are really excited. And firms that we don’t know at all, that we have invited in to tender, are not sure what to make of it.’

But Stark says that the firms that succeed as a result of the lean process will have bigger scope within Teva.

‘We are looking to have fewer people interacting with law firms, but there have to be smarter approaches. Yesterday I was in the office with a senior lawyer at one of our firms, and what he wanted to talk about was rate increases!’

Higher rates seem to be more of the norm at the moment, partly because many clients are letting them get away with it.

‘The economy is on fire, and top firms gravitate to easier clients. We may not be able to afford some firms, so we have to choose our set of firms very carefully. Firms we instruct need to have flexibility and be rate competitive,’ says Stark.

‘At present we have more high-end legal work, so why fool around with low rates? But a lot of that work is coming to an end. From here on, it will be slow but steady progress. It won’t be less money, more work, but instead more certainty around a broader bucket of work for the preferred firms.’

Stark is being deliberately cautious about the amount of external spend that Teva is currently making. While he coyly admits that it is ‘more than $100m’, our own research team has been digging deeper into this. Looking at the firms and types of work that is typically done, we estimate that the actual number will be over three times that, at around $330m. Some firms are estimated to be in eight figures for their fees, so there is a lot at stake for partners if they lost that work.

‘There will be benefits for the company,’ says Stark. ‘We will get some savings. But there are definitely going to be some surprises in store, and there will definitely be some lessons learned.’

Working with Teva and Stark on this process is Smarter Law Solutions. Founded by Trevor Faure, formerly global general counsel at Ernst & Young, Smarter Law consults with companies to cut legal costs and implement lean processes.

Under the Smarter Law led-system, firms that submit to the process are assessed on pricing and other data metrics and, following a period of research and interviews, a far reduced panel of firms will be announced by the end of the year. Just what that process entails is detailed in Faure’s new book, Smarter Law: transforming busy lawyers into business leaders.

I often find myself looking at theoretical books that might have some practical application in the field of law, but this book is based on the experiences of over 200 in-house case studies. What the book allows GCs to do is dip in and out of the experiences of their peers and cherry pick the techniques and applications that will work for their in-house departments. To find out how the kinds of techniques that Teva are using currently, the ‘Win: Win: Win RFP Process’ chapter is a must read. It explains how a tender process allowed a client to pay law firm bidders more than their proposals and still reduce spend by 44%.

In recent months, we have seen a growing movement back to simplicity, from the #bringbackboring campaign, to the simple mantra of ‘people, process, delivery’. The Smarter Law approach isn’t based on the future of law, it is firmly rooted in the here and now. What GCs can do right now to improve efficiencies, working practices and transform the function. The best learning comes from who have done it before. Don’t take my word for it, get a copy and delve into it yourself – you will benefit and you will learn. Available from: gcm.ag/smarter_law.

Introduction: Alex Speirs

Our latest collaboration with Clifford Chance, Their Voices: Insights from Today’s Rising Lawyers, chronicles the journeys and stories of a selection of the next generation of lawyers, written and compiled by the team at GC magazine.

The collection of stories reveals that the stereotypical, well-trodden pathway to law is far from the sole entry point to the profession. In the past, anything but a complete commitment to the law – and nothing but the law – may have been considered a detriment, whereas now diversity of experience, both personal and professional, is characterizing the next generation of entrants. Those featured in the pages that follow embody this change, hailing from a range of backgrounds with law a second career for many – some in tangentially related industries, others hailing from a past which couldn’t be further from the law – but all bringing with them an insight as unique as it is valuable.

The interviews that underpin this publication also reveal a profession in the midst of change, as the realities of working at a law firm in the 21st century ring true for all the right reasons. The impact of technology is creating opportunities for new ways of working, increased flexibility and the chance to fundamentally reimagine how lawyers should – and do – operate. With this newest cohort of entrants hailing from a generation of digital natives, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that many of those featured are showing leadership and helping drive this change, but the willingness of senior partners and management to respond by empowering some of their newest members in such a positive fashion illustrates the changing dynamics apparent in a modern law firm.

Helping to facilitate that change at Clifford Chance, particularly for new entrants to the firm, has been Erin Zucker, the firm’s dedicated assignment manager, who has been instrumental in transforming the experience of first-year law clerks and associates. Instead of specializing at the commencement of their professional career or operating under the rigidity of the typical six-month rotation, most new entrants now enter a pool for a two-and-a-half-year period, during which time they are exposed to assignments across the firm’s transactional practices. That very exposure – to a broad selection of practices and practitioners – offers the opportunity to glean an insight into what their own future could hold, while developing well-rounded lawyers with a more holistic understanding of the profession.

When considered in the context of a world (and business environment) that is increasingly globalized, one with less defined boundaries and practice areas that no longer operate in silos, bringing together the aforementioned threads – diverse pathways, modern working practices and holistic approaches to training – no longer seems like nice-to-haves, but rather professional imperatives.

The stories that follow paint a picture of progression and much-needed modernization for the next generation of lawyers. And while change can be a scary word, based on my interactions with those who generously gave their time as part of this undertaking, I can confidently say that if this is what the future leaders of the legal profession look like, we’re in good hands.

Alex Speirs, Editor-in-Chief, GC magazine

Foreword: Erin Zucker

Lawyers choose a legal career for many different reasons. Some have it in their DNA and come from a family of attorneys. For others, the idea may arise during high school or college, or maybe after spending some time in another kind of job or doing community service. When the idea strikes, some are not certain and need time to explore; others are driven straight to law school. But they all have one thing in common: something sparked their interest.

My job is to help empower our lawyers. They arrive here on their first day having already navigated their way through law school, the recruitment process and a summer program. It’s an impressive beginning, and I find great joy in doing my part to help them shape the future of their careers – digging into the work and finding the right space to practice in.

Since the firm decided in 2015 to embrace a pool concept for our first years in the transactional practice, I have been tasked with implementing that process. Shortly thereafter, I began coordinating staffing within the litigation practice in collaboration with our partners and counsel. This approach offers significant benefits. For one, it keeps everyone consistently busy and allows lawyers to immerse themselves in a variety of work, where and when our clients need it. It also provides exposure to our international network of offices in a very fluid way – that’s a great fit with our culture as a global firm.

A big part of my job is getting to know people: what kind of work interests them, their professional styles and goals – their voices. What I’ve learned is that this generation of junior lawyers is shifting the prevailing wisdom about success in the law.

I’m also here to encourage people to step outside their comfort zone by exposing them to different types of work. I know that I am having a positive impact on someone’s career when they say, “I’m so glad I tried something new.”

What you will read in these pages is just a sampling of the stories that our junior lawyers could tell. From my perspective, the takeaway is this: whether they practice law for their entire careers or move on to something completely unexpected, they are on a path to forging their own success in an evolving field. That’s why their perspective is so valuable. n

Erin Zucker, Americas regional professional development manager, Clifford Chance

A level playing field: How the Transactional Pool works

Upon joining Clifford Chance, most first-year law clerks and associates enter the pool for a two-and-a-half-year period, during which time they are given exposure to assignments across the firm’s transactional practices. The enhanced system preserves the best aspects of prior approaches – exposure to many different kinds of work and to partners and associates practicing in different areas – without the rigidity of six-month rotations. Ms Zucker’s role as a dedicated assignment manager was integral to the firm’s objectives in designing the pool system.

Afterword: Evan Cohen

Photo credit: Thomas Donley, New York

Our first collaboration with our friends at GC magazine and The Legal 500 – Advice To My Younger Self – profiled 20 highly regarded women lawyers who shared tips for success with those about to begin their own journeys. What’s exciting about Their Voices is that it flips that narrative. This time, it’s our rising lawyers helping legal industry veterans – partners, general counsel, law school professors and others – gain new insights in a world that increasingly requires fresh perspectives.

In conceptualizing this project, we started with the premise that today’s lawyers are incredibly agile – not only in their ability to work effectively from almost anywhere, but also in their openness to new ways of thinking and problem solving. From the time they were old enough to lift a mobile phone, they’ve been tied together by technology and global networks, which makes tuning out and turning off increasingly difficult. And yet, most of them manage to achieve an enviable level of balance in their lives.

Perhaps the reason this new generation of lawyers is so adept at navigating change is that rapid transformation is all they’ve ever known. Those of us further along in our careers have had to dispatch some long-held beliefs and modify our approaches to embrace a new normal. It’s not always a comfortable proposition, but we are finding our way – sometimes with help from the very people we lead.

“Today’s lawyers are incredibly agile – not only in their ability to work effectively from almost anywhere, but also in their openness to new ways of thinking.”

It’s hard to believe that 2019 marks the beginning of my fourth decade as a lawyer and my twentieth year as a partner at Clifford Chance. I’ve seen a lot and learned a lot, including the importance of eschewing labels. Each generation receives its own moniker – Baby Boomer, Gen X and the like. But if this book tells us anything, it’s that lawyers of every generation have many more traits in common than differences that separate them.

I couldn’t be prouder to call the lawyers in this book my colleagues. They are bright, motivated, hard-working, client-focused and civic-minded – just like the generations that preceded them. Best of all for me as a managing partner, they are part of a much larger group of associates who have their own equally impressive stories to tell.

The profiles in Their Voices: Insights from Today’s Rising Lawyers inspire me to remain flexible and welcome what’s next. I hope this book helps you to do the same.

Evan Cohen, Americas regional managing partner, Clifford Chance

Corporations with benefits

corporation-with-benefits

‘There is no reason why good cannot
triumph as often as evil. The triumph of
anything is a matter of organisation’

– Kurt Vonnegut, The Sirens of Titan

When looking for good in the world, corporate governance law is perhaps not the most obvious place to train your eye. However, there is a sizeable band of corporations – thousands, in fact – who have opted to start just there, using corporate governance as a springboard to the greater good.

Shareholder primacy, often cast as the villain in corporate scandals or blinkered business decisions, operates on the theory that the job of directors and management is to maximise return to the investor. In turn, corporate law is traditionally viewed as a contract between corporations and investors that the company will, in the balance of law, deliver the highest return.

‘But that’s really an assumption and not a fact of life,’ says Rick Alexander, corporate governance expert and former corporate attorney in the US corporate mecca, Delaware.

A benefit corporation is a corporate entity which includes certain positive impact requirements among its legally defined goals, allowing corporates to reject shareholder primacy in favour of a governance model that permits balancing the interests of other stakeholders – like workers, customers and communities. Maryland became the first state to specifically legislate for these kinds of corporations in 2010, and 30 others have since followed suit.

In the early 2010s, Alexander had been practising transactional law for 25 years and was responsible for maintaining Delaware’s corporate statute when he was approached by B Lab, a non-profit that operates a certification scheme for companies based on environmental and social responsibility.

‘They wanted us to adopt a benefit corporation statute in Delaware. And to be honest, we thought it was kind of cute, but not really serious. I was the chair of the council that worked on those issues and so our first reaction was pretty negative,’ he recalls.

‘But they pushed pretty hard and I ended up taking it on as a project to look more seriously at what they were talking about. As I looked into it, I became persuaded that traditional corporate law actually had a lot of assumptions built in that weren’t necessarily supported by any rational economic theory.’

Alexander’s change of heart and subsequent work was instrumental in Delaware’s introduction of public benefit corporation law in 2013. He even left the practice of law to become B Lab’s head of legal policy, promoting the concept of benefit corporations around the world.

Nowadays, B Lab and benefit corporations are still linked – in order to retain B Corp status (B Lab’s certification), companies must have a corporate structure that rejects shareholder primacy which, in the US, will often mean incorporating as a public benefit corporation. You don’t need to be a B Corp to be a public benefit corporation, although the two frequently go hand in hand – and are often confused.

Keeping your commitments

Among the roster of companies opting to incorporate as public benefit corporations, there are some big names. Global creative crowdfunding platform Kickstarter is one.

‘For Kickstarter, this was always the founders’ ethos,’ explains general counsel Christopher Mitchell. ‘They were not about, “Hey, let’s make our money on an IPO or sale of the company.” I like the fact that we are a very socially and politically active organisation. I think that goes hand in hand with being a public benefit corporation – being very aware of what is going on in the world, how it affects our community, how it affects your business and then what are the appropriate steps to dialogue about that and to get involved.’

When the legislation came along, the company felt that it was the perfect vehicle to crystallise Kickstarter’s commitments. Public benefit corporations must lock in a stated public benefit (or benefits) in their charter.

‘We are a for-profit entity, we operate like any normal business. However, it’s like having a double bottom line. What are you focused on, what does good look like, what does success look like, what are you working towards? As you’re making decisions as an organisation, what behaviour do you take, what actions do you take, what areas do you support? If you think about a lot of other organisations, their main focus is making money. Well, what if it wasn’t just that?’ says Mitchell.

Public benefit corporations must lock in a stated public benefit (or benefits) in their charter.

‘What about if you said, “Well these other two or three things are important to us, and this is how we measure success”. Commitment to the environment and bringing creative projects to life are all part of that mandate. I think a lot of non-public benefit corporation organisations aspire to those things, but a lot of times those other goals become secondary to profit maximisation.’

Interestingly, Kickstarter’s shareholders unanimously backed the conversion to become a public benefit corporation. It could be that some investors believe they are looking at a generational shift of corporate values, and the public benefit corporation sits at a unique nexus.

‘It’s a paradox, but it can actually generate more value for your investors – your corporate structure communicates that you are a responsible partner and not bound by law to take advantage of every situation. I think right now we’re at a stage where individual companies are looking at adopting a benefit corporation structure as a competitive advantage, especially among the millennial workforce, or even the generation coming up behind the millennials, who are extremely interested in that sort of concept,’ says Alexander.

If public benefit corporations are aiming to inject virtue into corporate life, could this also trickle down into a better life for their in-house attorneys? Mitchell thinks so.

The North Star

‘I love it because it gives me another reference point. As counsel, you’re considering the law and the objectives of the business and you’re trying to organise those, but when you have these very clear stated commitments and rules, it just provides another reference point to help with the decision-making process. It prevents singular deviation on a project where someone might say, “Hey that’s fine but for this one we’ll just try this.” No, these are commitments, they’re set in stone,’ he explains.

‘It’s absolutely fantastic to have this North Star and this very clear statement driving alignment internally. It’s not just you’re the GC and you’re an outlier. You can point to the charter and say: “This is what we committed to be.”’

‘When it comes to a situation like dealing with a supplier who may not be performing but if we were to walk away, hundreds of their employees would lose their jobs, we look much further than the financial impact of the decision and often make what might seem like an unorthodox choice because it could cost us more in the end,’ adds Hilary Dessouky, general counsel of outdoor apparel company Patagonia, which incorporated as a benefit corporation in California in 2012.

‘At Patagonia, people and planet come first and that is a great foundation for decision making. It adds complexity because there are so many different factors to consider and that can be hard at the beginning. But it’s like a muscle that you have to exercise, and when you see the results, you want to keep working on it.’

Building muscle

For Laureate Education, becoming a public benefit corporation took a little heavy lifting for the incumbent GC’s predecessor. In 2015, the for-profit network of higher education institutions changed domicile from Maryland to take advantage of the shiny new Delaware law. Maryland had its own similar statute, but as the PBC structure had gained traction, model legislation was developed to address thorny issues of fiduciary duty and shareholder liability, and Delaware followed this trend – which appealed to Laureate when it decided to reincorporate.

‘I think any time you’re thinking about making a change in your legal status, the general counsel is critical. The GC has got to understand what’s required and has to be the one to take a hard look at the organisation and ask “Is it really in our best interests to do this, can we really be a public benefit corporation, what is that going to mean for us?” There are going to be legal requirements, the board of directors is going to have to understand what this means, they’re going to have to feel comfortable with it, they’re going to have to vote for it,’ says Victoria Silbey, CLO of Laureate since 2017.

The first public benefit corporation in California

Hilary Dessouky, general counsel of Patagonia, explains what being a benefit corporation means for the outdoor apparel company.

‘We have a 40-year-long history of environmental conservation and activism and, from 1991, the company’s mission statement was: build the best products, cause no unnecessary harm and use business to inspire and implement solutions to the environmental crisis. We recently simplified our mission statement to reflect the urgency of the crisis we’re facing, to just: we’re in business to save our home planet.

Our values are so deeply ingrained in everything we do, for us the risk would be not being a public benefit corporation.

We have gotten very specific in our articles of incorporation about what we’ll do to create public benefit and have listed six areas of focus. One of them is that we give away 1% of sales to environmental non-profits, and we’ve given away more than $100 million since we started the programme. We also just committed to give away $10 million from the 2017 irresponsible corporate tax cuts.

We work really closely with the groups that we support through campaigns, advocacy and activism, and that also culminated in working with our grantees and the Native American community to help establish the Bears Ears National Monument. On December 4, 2017, President Trump issued an executive order purporting to reduce the monument by 85% and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument by more than half. Our benefit corporation structure provides a requirement for us to take certain actions and so, in response, Patagonia, along with a coalition of grassroots groups, filed a lawsuit in the DC District Court challenging the President’s action based on the premise that The Antiquities Act of 1906 grants the President the authority to create national monuments but not to reduce or rescind them. As a benefit corporation, we’re doing everything we can to help combat climate change and we have an obligation to our employees, to our community and to the environment to actually take that action.’

The general counsel also has a vital role to play in drafting the public benefit purpose that the company is nailing to its mast.

‘It needs to be both specific enough to really talk about what you do but broad enough to last for a long time, as a company may change emphasis and strategy. You have to think about it as almost a legal contract, so it’s critical that the GC is part of the decision-making process around that purpose,’ she says.

The Laureate team eventually settled on ‘To produce a positive effect for society and for persons by offering diverse educational programmes, both on premises or campuses located in the communities we serve online’.

‘If we are acquiring or divesting a college or university somewhere on the globe, part of the questions that we ask ourselves is whether this will be good for students. Can we offer students more – better access, better educational opportunities, better outcomes, better ability to get jobs, to get salaries that can support them, for example. We are constantly evaluating those outcomes, doing studies to see how our graduates fare. We’d probably do that anyway, but being a PBC gives us the context in which to put these questions and to make these decisions,’ explains Silbey.

Investor reception

But is it really possible to balance profitability with a commitment to the greater public good?

CircleUp, a company that helps consumer product start-ups to raise equity, thinks so.

It applied machine-learning software to scoring like-for-like strength, reach, growth and intensity of consumer brands in June 2018, finding that 93% of B Corps (distinct from public benefit corporations, but connected by sustainable ethos) scored above the average. The software also reported a 49% growth in sales, three times more than the category cohort.

But not all attempts to marry a sustainability stamp and profitability have escaped a bruising, particularly in the public realm. After the board ousted the CEO of e-commerce platform Etsy in 2017 amid swirling reports of overspending and falling share price, the vocal champion of stakeholder culture and then B Corp released the following statement from its newly installed CEO, Josh Silverman:

‘Since 2012, Etsy has relied on third-party certification, known as B Corp, as one of the ways we demonstrate our public commitment to running a sustainable, socially responsible business. We are proud of our B Corp certification, and of our track record of improving our B Corp score after each impact assessment.

‘One of the requirements of B Corp certification for corporations incorporated in Delaware is that a company must change its corporate structure from a C Corporation to a benefit corporation. As we have said publicly over the past year, Etsy will not seek conversion to a benefit corporation by the December 2017 deadline because converting is a complicated, and untested process for existing public companies.’

Etsy declined to be interviewed for this piece, but B Corp’s Rick Alexander is reluctant to concede that its specific situation has any reflection on the reception of the PBC status among investors.

‘Part of our certification is that at the end of a grace period, if they wanted to keep the certification, they would have had to become a benefit corporation and that would have meant getting a two-thirds vote from their shareholders. At that time they were kind of in a struggle with their shareholders, they had some not-good performance, there were hedge funds in the stock and eventually there was a whole turnover of management. That was not a company that had a problem with being a PBC, it was a company that wasn’t in a position to get a two-thirds vote on anything, let alone PBC status,’ he explains.

‘Booming corporate profits and rising worker productivity have not led to rising wages.’

Certainly the experience of Laureate Education, the first company already with public benefit corporation status to make an IPO, has been relatively smooth – though Silbey admits there was a little trepidation beforehand.

‘One of the concerns we had was that public markets would not be receptive – it was kind of unchartered territory. I don’t think that that’s turned out to be the case – I don’t think we have investors who aren’t investing or shareholders who aren’t shareholders because we are a PBC. But we really didn’t know at the time,’ she says.

‘We definitely had to explain it. It’s not that common in general and nobody was public beforehand, so when we filed our IPO doc and our 10-Ks since, we had to very carefully explain what it means and why it ties into our overall mission. We needed to be very clear and anticipate the questions that we might have: Does that mean that there’s not going to be good shareholder return, does that mean that you’ll put everybody else ahead of shareholders? We needed to think through what those questions might be and then to address them both in our written documentation and in other conversations with investors.’

Because public benefit corporations are obligated to make decisions that honour a specified social or environmental purpose, they can be held to account for not doing so. The Delaware statute has therefore built in protection for companies so that such lawsuits can only be brought by shareholders owning more than 2% of the company, and that no monetary damages can be obtained, only assurances that the company will improve.

‘For the most part what the statute does is eliminate risk. It makes it easier to operate in a way that’s socially and environmentally conscious, so we reduce the risk that anyone would ever sue you for that,’ says Alexander.

Adds Silbey: ‘If you are carefully considering the decisions you’re making in both the long term and short term, I think that the risk is manageable. We have thought about it and when we do governance training for our senior leaders and for our board members this is an area that we cover – and we get some thoughtful discussion about it.’

A moment of reflection

Having public benefit corporation status has reporting requirements, of course, although at once every two years in Delaware, these are not too onerous.

‘On one hand this is a statement to the public but also for ourselves, it’s a moment of reflection. How well did we actually do? It’s an important piece of feedback,’ says Mitchell.

Like Kickstarter, Laureate is also a B Corp, and B Lab’s granular auditing process provides a similar opportunity for introspection.

‘For the B Corp status, we were concerned that it might be too hard. To get audited on things like environmental footprint and supply chain issues was very new for us and we didn’t really know how we were going to do. We’re not making sneakers, so we’re not checking our supply chain more regularly,’ explains Silbey.

‘So this was a brand new horizon for us, but it’s been great, actually. Because it goes all the way down to a campus level review, we get really good insight into our institutions and how things are going and it helps us then make decisions when we engage vendors – it gives a framework to think about choices we’re making throughout our network of institutions.’

The reality is that a public benefit corporation status is unlikely to appeal to a company that has not placed an environmentally or socially conscious agenda at the heart of its offering, like Kickstarter, Laureate and Patagonia have. The jury is out, however, on how an ethical agenda might be protected in the event of a takeover, especially in the case of rolling back commitments – however legally.

‘In a hostile takeover there’s a limited amount that can actually be done, and I haven’t really thought through should we have a poison pill specifically related to PBC status,’ says Silbey.

‘But certainly with respect to a non-hostile transaction, our directors would try to weigh the different questions that we have as a PBC about commitment to students and communities and outcomes, so we would balance all of that with other fiduciary duties and shareholder considerations.’

A sustainable future

Public benefit corporation status is, fundamentally, optional. But what if it wasn’t?

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat and 2020 Presidential hopeful, last year announced the Accountable Capitalism Act, which strikes at the same target as the public benefit corporation: shareholder primacy.

‘In the early 1980s, America’s biggest companies dedicated less than half of their profits to shareholders and reinvested the rest in the company. But over the last decade, big American companies have dedicated 93% of earnings to shareholders – redirecting trillions of dollars that could have gone to workers or long-term investments. The result is that booming corporate profits and rising worker productivity have not led to rising wages.’

A key plank of the Act calls for corporations with more than $1bn in annual revenue to obtain a federal charter as a ‘United States corporation’, obliging directors to consider the interests of all corporate stakeholders.

‘This approach is derived from the thriving benefit corporation model that 33 states and the District of Columbia have adopted and that companies like Patagonia, Danone North America, and Kickstarter have embraced with strong results’, stated Warren.

The road to legislation, like government, is a long one, and much is in the balance with this Bill. But, if a corporate governance trend is turning heads – and public opinion – there could be interesting times ahead for large companies.

All the more reason for the general counsel to ensure they are involved in any process of governance change or audit from an early stage – whether that’s becoming a public benefit corporation, B Corp, or a future permutation.

‘Sometimes at B Lab we’ll be dealing with a sustainability group in a company, and they’ll say “Let’s do all the other stuff and then we’ll do the legal” – because nobody wants to call the GC!’ says Alexander.

‘We encourage people to socialise the issue early and to make sure that there’s board-level discussions about certification and that the board understands the legal piece. The GC is going to be key in the boardroom’.

Online overreach

‘If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place,’ – Eric Schmidt, CEO, Alphabet Inc.

The issue of data privacy has been an increasingly prevalent one for corporates and, subsequently, their general counsel in recent years. When the European Union’s General Data Protection Regulation entered into force in 2016 ahead of its 2018 implementation, businesses the world around were put on notice: the rights of the individual with respect to personal data – its collection, storage and use – were now subject to stringent protections designed to safeguard the end user against corporate interests.

But while the boundaries between business prerogatives and the right to privacy have grown increasingly clear, how companies – particularly those working in tech – handle requests for data from the government and law enforcement remains opaque, particularly with new – or, legally speaking, untested technology.

‘Uncertainty with technology is a real problem for civil liberties, because oftentimes what you’ll see is law enforcement trying to engage in a novel kind of search – or novel kind of information request – that’s never been done before,’ explains Esha Bhandari, staff attorney with American Civil Liberties Union’s (ACLU) Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project.

‘The lack of precedent apparent can be used to their advantage – almost an ask first and then see whether or not a court, or the subject of the request, pushes back. That creates a problem when you have the government or law enforcement pushing to try out new types of technology or search requests. The ambiguity in the law is used to their advantage because that particular fact pattern hasn’t explicitly arisen before.’

In such cases, the prerogative for protection of users often falls on the company faced with the request. In the first instance, advising on a matter like this will typically fall on the shoulders of the general counsel, who will be tasked with balancing the rights of the individual with those of the public at large – represented by those tasked with governing the general populous – as well as that of the business itself.

But in a world in which data and the broad-based learnings that can be derived from it become progressively more sophisticated and prominent, determining what constitutes the public’s best interest – particularly in the face of a distinct lack of judicial guidance – has become nebulous at best. When that decision falls on corporate institutions instead of an independent judiciary, weighing the costs of doing the right thing against corporate imperatives like shareholder primacy becomes even more difficult.

‘The warrant was overbroad and turning over that information was a ridiculous request.’

This very issue came to the fore in the wake of the election of President Donald Trump, when law enforcement served subpoenas on a deluge of digital companies in an effort to obtain information which could lead to the identification and arrest of those involved with protesting and causing unrest in the run up to his inauguration.

‘It really harkens back to the question of, “Are we really living in a place where America’s own government is going to be spying on political dissidents?”,’ posits Stephanie Lacambra, criminal defence staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF).

‘It shouldn’t really come as a surprise given the practice of spying on dissidents goes back through many decades, from the civil rights movement to the Black Panthers. But what’s different now is that these requests are using technology to achieve their goals. In the information age, spying takes a different colour.’

DISRUPTJ20

In 2016, following the election of Donald Trump, a group called DisruptJ20 began posting online to organise protests to disrupt his 20 January inauguration the following year – relatively mundane stuff in the murky and anonymous online world. But when the US Department of Justice demanded access to all of the information held on the group by their webhost, DreamHost, it became a point of moral principle for the Los Angeles-based company and its general counsel, Chris Ghazarian.

‘Originally, we received a subpoena from the DOJ in January demanding information about the owner of the DisruptJ20 website. We reviewed the subpoena and everything seemed normal, so we produced the information,’ explains Ghazarian.

‘Fast-forward to July and this time we’ve been served with a search warrant, again, the target being DisruptJ20. The warrant we were served with wanted all of the information that we had about the website, not just subscriber information, email address or email content, they wanted our entire database of what we held on DisruptJ20.

‘That amount of information would be huge – we have our own logs that we keep internally for our systems, which include things like HTTP logs and the IP addresses of our visitors. Those IP addresses were the central issue of our case.’

While DreamHost regularly receives orders for information from law enforcement, the scope and depth of the request was unusual – prompting a deeper look from Ghazarian and his team.

‘The first thing we did when we received the warrant was to look over it with our compliance analyst, who told me about the scope. We went over it together and agreed that it was a very overbroad warrant, which was seeking a tonne of data,’ he says.

‘We reached out to the US attorneys that were working the case to have a conversation, because the warrant was overbroad and turning over that amount of information was a ridiculous request. We do this often when we take in court orders or government requests: we spend a lot of time on them and that usually involves reaching out to the appropriate agency or firm or whoever it is if we feel that it’s overly broad. But in this case, when we reached out, they were silent.’

What followed a week later was a motion to compel from the superior court in Washington DC, a common tactic used in discovery proceedings to force a non-complying party to turn over the requested information when they have either refused or the response received is deemed insufficient.

‘That didn’t sit well with us because, historically, we’ve been staunch supporters of privacy. We’ve always taken a strong stance against overly broad requests or similar issues when they arise with law enforcement,’ says Ghazarian.

‘We’ve maintained a strong relationship with all of our law enforcement agencies in the US. We’ve had agents back and forth all the time, we talk to them frequently. Never before had we had an issue like this, where we’re facing a motion to compel and the other side isn’t willing to play ball. So we took a step back, looked at the case up and down and realised we had something very interesting on our hands.’

OVERSIGHT OR OVERREACH?

With an unusual case afoot and significant privacy issues in play, DreamHost prepared to take the unusual strategy of starting a blog to alert the public just what was going on – a move Ghazarian says he was comfortable with after confirming that there was no gag order associated with the warrant.

‘What was particularly unique about this case was that we were dealing with so many people who had innocently visited the website and were going to have their information turned over to the government,’ Ghazarian explains.

‘The government claims that they don’t do anything with the information they don’t use – essentially that any information they didn’t need to look at would be deleted. But in reality, everything is digital, so you can never truly confirm whether something’s been deleted or not. You couldn’t do that with paper in the past, and in the digital age it’s so much harder. When you’re sending a file over the internet, there’s no way you can be absolutely sure that something hasn’t been copied or screenshotted. There’s no real audit trail.’

‘If we were to turn over this information, we would basically be handing over the browsing habits and identities of tens of thousands of people. We had 1.3 million IP addresses associated with DisruptJ20 over the course of the time span in the warrant. But the individual logs tell you a lot more than just that: the amount of time you spend reading each page, the photos you looked at or other links you clicked on originating from that page – everything is recorded. So you’re handing over an entire logbook to the government and that’s disturbing. Very disturbing.’

Of particular concern with the warrant was the content of the site and its underlying purpose – to organise peaceful political protest – which brought to the fore First and Fourth Amendment issues and concerns about whether the request was constitutional.

‘Freedom of speech and freedom of association were really implicated by the breadth of the request that was made,’ says Bhandari.

‘The warrant was specifically requesting information about people who had visited a website discussing organising a protest that was oppositional to the administration. What happens to our rights for freedom of expression, freedom of speech and freedom of association when all of our communications can potentially be seen, stored and analysed by the government? ’

‘Freedom of association was one of the issues we really honed in on and the fact that this can potentially be a very interesting issue if the government is taking action that can suppress that freedom,’ adds Ghazarian.

‘Freedom of association was one of the things we really honed in on.’

‘If you found out that your browsing habits are turned over to the government because you visited a political website, then the next time you want to read about politics or visit a political website, you’re probably going to think twice about whether or not you want to click on it – particularly if you know that there’s a blacklist of all of your information going straight to government from a webhost or ISP (internet service provider).’

DREAMHOST v DOJ

Because of the seriousness of the issues raised in the warrant, as well as DreamHost’s commitment to protecting the privacy of its users, the decision was made to challenge the order in court. Ghazarian retained a Washington DC-licensed external counsel and together, they began putting together DreamHost’s defence.

‘We filed our first argument late on a Friday night. I can remember working until after midnight, drafting the argument, books open all over my office, whiteboards littered with nodes and sites – it was a real throwback, like going back to law school,’ says Ghazarian.

‘Then, after the weekend, we posted our first blog post live on Monday. It was a very short blog which explained the request that we had received and what we were doing to fight against it. I went to bed that night and had no idea what was about to hit me on Tuesday morning.’

After the blog went live on Monday, the media went into overdrive – with Ghazarian tasked with fronting up and representing DreamHost – truly thrusting the issue and case into the public consciousness.

‘I’d never had anything like this happen during my career. I was in shock. I passed the bar in 2015, had barely been practising for two years and then suddenly I’m being asked to get ready to appear live on television to be interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN! Nothing can prepare you for that,’ says Ghazarian.

‘That was the day that everything really went public. It was crazy, but putting our case in the public eye – despite the pressure that came along with it all – the amount of support we received showed that we were doing the right thing. We had no intention of making this a front-page story, we just wanted to show what was happening behind the scenes and the type of things we do for every single one of our customers and ever subpoena or request that we receive.’

CALIFORNIA TAKES THE LEAD

California has been a leader, both in the US and globally, when it comes to enacting protections for digital consumers. The California Electronic Communications Privacy Act (CalECPA) invokes protections that require law enforcement to obtain a warrant in order to access a person’s private information – whether that be emails, text messages, location information or other personal data held digitally.

The upshot of this legislation was that law enforcement can no longer approach a company directly for data – it now has to be approved judicially. The Act makes specific reference to Fourth Amendment protections, while prescribing conditions for data access – including time, targets and type of information sought, as well as how data falling outside the scope of the warrant should be treated. In addition, the Act requires law enforcement agencies to notify the targets of the warrants that their data has been searched, as well as notifying the California Department of Justice about the search, which must be made public.

But while the CalECPA was hailed as a landmark development for data privacy and consumer protections when it was passed in 2015 – where, incidentally, it was co-sponsored by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) – Stephanie Lacambra, criminal defence staff attorney at EFF, says issues persist judicially.

‘In California, we’re fortunate enough to have a statewide law that requires specific articulation of particularity with regards to search warrants. But, even now, we’re fighting fights here in California, where it’s on the books, about exactly what is required for a warrant to meet the statutory requirements prescribed by the law,’ says Lacambra.

‘Still we’re seeing cases where the warrant doesn’t meet the requirements set out by statute that require suppression. We still have the courts saying that it’s at their discretion to decide whether suppression is appropriate and, as a result, we’re litigating a number of cases right now.’

One of the most prominent cases taken up by the EFF is against San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department, which has refused to release the records as required by CalECPA. The case in question seeks to obtain the records to ascertain whether CalECPA is working effectively and law enforcement is complying.

‘At present, we’re trying to encourage the legislature at both the state and federal level to better articulate for the courts what the requirements ought to be, because there’s still a lot left at the discretion of the courts,’ says Lacambra.

‘In California, the courts can still find that a warrant doesn’t necessarily require everything set out in the Act, which then requires us to go and fight that in the appellate courts, to get the courts to tell law enforcement that there’s been a violation. The problem at the moment is that without further guidance, courts are still rubber stamping some very broad warrants.’

While Lacambra says that the California legislation has gone a long way to ‘try and rein in government overreach in this area’, more broadly she says that more has to be done to bring these issues to the fore and ensure that those involved become better informed.

‘In my view, it’s about educating the public, educating the judiciary, educating the practitioners that are litigating these issues, and educating the legislators to understand the technology and the issues that surround it,’ she says.

‘If they’re unfamiliar with the technology, how it works and just how invasive certain technologies like cell site simulators [the technology in question in the San Bernardino County Sheriff case] can be, they can’t appreciate the full implications of what’s being authorised.’

To this end, the EFF, a non-profit, offers their services – both to counsel and the judiciary alike – in order to help both make informed decisions about how data, technology and the law intersect, as well as to protect the rights of the individual in the digital space.

Explains Lacambra: ‘Our advice to GCs who find themselves in a similar situation to DreamHost, or for any situation where data and privacy is at stake, is to contact us early and often.’

The likes of the ACLU and EFF were quick to offer their support, with more than 100 organisations signing on to a joint public letter to then attorney general Jeff Sessions expressing concern over what they saw as an infringement on American values.

‘When we were involved in the case, we had a number of companies, senators and congressmen who were all lobbying for us directly to Jeff Sessions,’ says Ghazarian.

‘We also had a number of major tech companies publicly come out to back our decision to fight this order. We received a ridiculous amount of support, offers of donations, connections. I was getting calls left and right from so many people in politics and I’d hear the name and be like “Oh my god, I’ve heard this guy on the news so many times”, or you’d Google their names and find out a senator from some far-flung state would be offering their assistance.’

The outpouring of support and assistance, both publicly and behind closed doors, in addition to the wall-to-wall media coverage ignited significant public debate – mounting pressure on the DOJ to justify the legality of its actions specific to this case, as well as its overarching operating procedures. Facing a public relations nightmare and the prospect of a very public, potentially uphill battle in the courts, the DOJ retreated.

‘Two days before the hearing, there was breaking news on TV that the DOJ had pulled back their request for the information from DreamHost in terms of the IP addresses, and reissued their warrant with different language,’ says Ghazarian.

‘That was literally the biggest issue we were fighting for – the IP addresses. So now we’re in a position where the DOJ is publicly doubling back. They issued a public statement, with a corresponding filing, saying that they were never interested in finding out IP addresses or browsing habits of users and they would gladly not pursue those things.’

‘What was particularly interesting about that was that we had evidence on the record of us reaching out to them to explain the extent of their request, specifically the IP address issue – yet they claimed that they had no idea this information would be included. So, in our follow up filing, we pointed out that they knew this, included emails and other evidence to back that up. But the bottom line was, at this point, that was a huge win for us.’

IN YOUR DEFENCE

While pulling back the request for the IP addresses was indeed a significant win for DreamHost, at the time, they still remained involved in an active dispute with the DOJ over the remaining information requested in the warrant.

‘We filed a further response to the DOJ, alerting them to the fact that even though they had retracted the request for IP addresses, there were still a lot of other issues that needed to be talked about,’ says Ghazarian.

‘Our hearing was pushed back by two days at the request of the DOJ, so I flew out to Washington DC for our rescheduled hearing and our day in court. What first stood out – it was surreal really – was the sheer amount of press in attendance. Half of the room was dedicated just to the media and it was at capacity.’

Ruling on the case, Chief Judge Robert Morin of the Superior Court of Washington DC ruled that the DOJ’s request was a valid one and enforced its motion to compel – with some major changes and safeguards to limit the exposure of sensitive and private user information. Delivering his final order, Chief Judge Morin wrote:

‘Because of the potential breadth of the government’s review in this case, the warrant in its execution may implicate otherwise innocuous and constitutionally protected activity. As the court has previously stated, while the government has the right to execute its warrant, it does not have the right to rummage through the information contained on DreamHost’s website and discover the identity of, or access communications by, individuals not participating in alleged criminal activity, particularly those persons who were engaging in protected First Amendment activities. Accordingly, the court deems it appropriate to incorporate procedural safeguards to comply with First Amendment and Fourth Amendment considerations, and to prevent the government from obtaining any identifying information of innocent persons to the website DisruptJ20.’

‘We were fine with this result – to be fair, most reasonable people understand that we weren’t fighting this warrant in order to prohibit the government from obtaining information from DreamHost. At the end of the day, this was a government-issued warrant and they wanted information regarding the case pending against the protestors. We deal with hundreds of these a year, but there’s a proper way to go about these requests,’ Ghazarian explains.

‘Our issue was that the DOJ was casting an ultra-wide net, and would have obtained a tonne of data that violated internet users’ privacy.We knew at the end of the day we would have to turn over some information – we didn’t want to play hardball with that aspect. We just wanted to cut down the legal request to what we thought was reasonable – not overbroad or overreaching.’

What was interesting about the ruling though, something which surprised Ghazarian, was that the final order to turn over information and how that would be carried out was to be negotiated between DreamHost and the DOJ. Rather than having to hand over the information there and then, the negotiation process went on over the following three months, with DreamHost and the DOJ both submitting a proposed order, after which the judge made a final ruling.

‘When that ruling came in, it was one of the happiest days of my legal career. I remember sitting there, going through the order line by line. We had requested a number of protective measures because of the sensitivity of the information requested,’ says Ghazarian.

‘For most of our arguments and requests, the judge had agreed. Anything that was private information – names, addresses, phone numbers, emails – had to be redacted. So we handed over heavily redacted documents to the DOJ, who were then required to identify what information from that production they wanted to use, then identify the agents who were working on the case and with the information, then appeal to the court and justify to the judge why they needed any of the information they were requesting. Then finally, if they wanted any of the information to be unredacted, they needed to show probable cause for it.’

PROTECTING THE FUTURE

The publicity that surrounded the case brought attention to the issues inherent with the DreamHost case, and the underlying constitutional considerations will likely have the most lasting impact. While the courts’ decision to restrict the ability of both the government and law enforcement to access private user data goes some way in terms of establishing judicial guidance moving forward, whether that will stand up to further checks and tests on the power of law enforcement with respect to data remains to be seen.

‘When that ruling came in, it was one of the happiest days of my legal career.’

‘In terms of future precedent and impacting future issues that come up under these categories, our case helps set a great foundation,’ says Ghazarian.

‘In fact, shortly after our case, Facebook had their own issues with the DOJ over DisruptJ20 and they used some of our arguments that we filed in court in their own case.’

While the likes of major companies like Facebook or historically strong advocates for privacy rights like DreamHost have both the will and resources to contest orders that are seen to overreach, clearly that isn’t the case for all companies.

‘It’s certainly important for companies to take on some of these issues and offer to fight these requests, but it does take companies having the wherewithal to recognise requests that are problematic, then having the resources and will to be able to challenge it. This also means that smaller companies will often not have the ability to fight back. So we live in an asymmetrical world where we don’t quite know everything that the government is doing with regards to requests for data, because it’s guaranteed that there are a number of these requests that never see the light of day, because the company didn’t have the ability to fight back,’ explains Bhandari.

‘If DreamHost had not stood up for its users the way that it did, then this issue quite literally would have gone under the radar. All of this subscriber information would have been turned over to the government and the timeliness with which users would be notified would have been left to the discretion of the courts. Had the government asked for a gag order to prevent DreamHost from notifying users that their data had been compromised and provided to law enforcement, then there’s a good chance that the users would never have even found out.’

That raises the question of whether a legislative response is required to enshrine rights to digital privacy and protection. While California (see boxout) has taken steps to make the process of accessing data more transparent – in particular eliminating any discretion for companies dealing with requests from law enforcement and putting the onus in the hands of the judiciary; codifying requirements and tests to justify access; and spelling out clear requirements for notifying individuals when their data has been accessed – it remains the clear exception. Other states have moved to provide updated protections in their own jurisdictions, but in the absence of an update to federal legislation, which remains outdated and stagnant, the rights of the individual when it comes to their data will continue to fall to the conscience of corporates.

No more firsts

There can be few legal roles in the US of as much significance and substance as White House counsel. And when Beth Nolan jettisoned film school for law school, she had no idea that her eventual career, including serving as White House counsel for President Bill Clinton – the first female to ever take on that role – would be almost the stuff films are made of.

But the path to what could be termed the ultimate general counsel role was not an obvious progression for Nolan. Eschewing private practice thanks to an interest in public policy law, she found herself as a junior attorney with the US Department of Justice (DOJ), tasked with working on government ethics.

‘I was really disappointed when I was given that assignment if I’m honest,’ she recalls. ‘The Office of Legal Counsel is known for handling the weightiest questions of executive power and executive privilege and I felt like I was going to be advising whether somebody can accept the free gift of tickets to a tennis tournament.’

But Nolan’s initial reservations turned out to be unfounded, and her burgeoning passion for ethics would go on to shape the course of her career. After four years at the DOJ, Nolan began teaching at George Washington University, where she taught constitutional law, but wrote about government ethics and lawyering.

‘That’s the specialty that was eventually of interest to President Clinton in the White House when I first started as an associate. There were scores of constitutional scholars but there weren’t that many people who really knew government ethics, and so that changed the trajectory of my career and my life,’ she reflects.

APPLIED ETHICS

Of course, at the time, as a recently tenured associate professor at George Washington, Nolan still didn’t know that. After volunteering for the Clinton Presidential Transition team, she was offered a role running the government ethics programme at the White House.

‘My original four years in the Justice Department were during the Reagan administration. There had been eight years of President Reagan, followed by four years of President Bush. So there weren’t that many Democrats who had government experience in government ethics laws, particularly some of those that had come through from the Ethics in Government Act of 1978,’ explains Nolan.

‘I was somebody who was teaching it, writing about it and had prior government experience actually doing it. So I got called to the attention of the people in the White House, went to meet with them and was offered the job.’

Her burgeoning passion for ethics would go on to shape the course of her career.

Putting academia to the side, Nolan was given a leave of absence to return to government. And although she’d spent the past eight years focused on government ethics – the realities of her new position would set in almost immediately.

‘I think I had a misconception that I would still have time to think about theory. I had this image of myself as being tucked away in some basement of what’s now the Eisenhower Executive Office Building working in my office on difficult issues,’ she says.

‘Instead, it’s a rodeo ride. I remember having to slow down to take a breath. When I look back at it, I remember having to tell myself – as a friend advised me to – “Stop and take a picture in your mind.” I really tried to do that.’

Nolan spent two and a half years doing conflict of interest counselling and vetting non-judicial presidential nominees and appointments, before returning to teaching – anticipating spending the rest of her career in academia. But then the former ‘vetter’ found herself on the other side of the equation.

‘In the spring of 1996, I was asked if I wanted to return to the Justice Department as the nominee for assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel. Sometime in the start of President Clinton’s second term I was nominated, and I waited a year before I got a confirmation hearing,’ she explains.

‘I had my confirmation hearing, waited a year and still hadn’t had a vote on my confirmation hearing – it was caught up in politics. I of course respected the Senate and their prerogative, so I just waited and waited.’

But in another twist of fate, as one door closed, another door opened for Nolan. In the summer of 1999, she was invited to return to the White House, this time as White House counsel.

FOLLOWING MR SMITH

The White House counsel is the chief legal adviser to the president (in their official capacity) and the White House staff. A non-statutory position, unlike the statutory standing of the attorney general role, the White House counsel is there to advise as the President wishes, meaning that each Presidential incumbent can have a counsel who fulfils different roles, depending on their relationship.

‘But in a well functioning, modern White House, I’d say there are some things that you would expect the White House counsel to always do: to serve as a liaison to the Department of Justice; to coordinate legal issues with other departments and agencies in the executive branch; to help respond to congressional inquiries and investigations; and then to provide advice and counsel to help the White House staff stay fully within legal boundaries as they execute on their policy agenda,’ explains Nolan.

Like any general counsel role, this involves handling multiple constituencies – although, in this instance, those parties are Congress (both the House of Representatives and the Senate) and other executive agencies, all of which have interests that might be incompatible in any particular moment – in a mission-driven environment.

‘The mission of the White House may change a great deal depending on who the President is, but some of the mission has been pretty consistent over time too. Ultimately, it’s to do what is seen as being in the best interests of the American people or the nation.’

And of course, not many general counsel roles involve an interview with the President of the United States!

‘That moment does stick with me, particularly because the meeting was in the main floor of the State Rooms of the White House itself, not in the West Wing,’ Nolan recalls.

‘I think if people had seen me going through the halls of the West Wing to the Oval Office to meet with the President, there might have been speculation. So instead, it was in the White House itself – which is just majestic, and you have such a sense of history.’

That sense of history is significant, not just from the perspective of the long-standing history of the institution itself, but for those who came before Nolan and laid the foundations for her to be selected and assume the role of White House counsel.

‘I came in as a successor to Chuck Ruff, certainly not as his replacement, because no one could ever have replaced him. But I’d had the opportunity to work with him, as well as John Podesta, who was the chief of staff, and with Cheryl Mills and Bruce Lindsey, who were the deputy White House counsels. And, to be frank, if Cheryl Mills hadn’t already decided that she was going to leave government, she would have gotten the White House counsel position and I wouldn’t be talking to you about this at all,’ admits Nolan.

‘Funnily enough too, being nominated as the assistant attorney general for the Office of Legal Counsel and not receiving confirmation actually helped me significantly. Had I been confirmed, then it’s likely that this opportunity would never have arisen for me, but it also meant that, as a result of that process, I had already been thoroughly vetted.’

TAKING THE REINS

Despite coming in after the impeachment proceedings against President Clinton had concluded, Nolan entered into a highly charged political atmosphere, replete with investigations alongside the day-to-day role, itself stuffed with with plenty of variety to keep her busy.

‘I remember one day where there was an urgent national security matter that we had to attend to, followed by another urgent call about the implementation of the Easter Egg Roll! Sometimes it really was just like that,’ she says.

Of course, not many GC roles involve an interview with the President of the United States.

‘What I learned was that you have to really love and embrace every kind of real issue and question that arises during your role. I was very fortunate, as I had a really great staff of lawyers who did that – it wasn’t always just down to me or my personal obligation.’

The day-to-day workload also encompassed matters of executive privilege, questions about political activity, nominations and appointments, conflicts of interest, congressional investigations, independent counsel investigations, as well as the everyday business of running a government agency. But despite the absorbing nature of the role, Nolan retained a fangirl’s appreciation of government fostered by her days as a student – and teacher – of its apparatus.

‘I had the privilege of being there at the start of the administration and then at the very end – albeit in different roles. But the machinery of government transition never failed to awe me – that at 12 noon one person is President, and at 12:01 another one is, and almost the entire White House staff changes in that minute. To someone who loves and taught constitutional law and focused on government issues in my research, there was really no better opportunity to be a witness to the way our government works than those moments of transition,’ she says.

‘[At the end of an administration] you don’t leave things. It’s not like at the Justice Department, where one administration leaves and another comes in but there’s a vast group of civil servants who continue on – there, it’s only the top layer that changes and all the documents and records and files remain. In the White House, everything goes. It’s not tossed – it goes to the National Archives and then, in many cases, to the Presidential Libraries. But it’s not in the White House – you come into empty filing cabinets and computers that have nothing on them, and a staff who largely have no idea what they’re doing.’

That means that each new administration and its staff – and subsequently its counsel – have the opportunity to shape their own role and agenda, though, in large part, the role of the White House counsel in particular will, by its very nature, be one that is as reactionary as it is prescribed.

‘I think, in the 2000s, national security matters have played a much more prominent role. I certainly had to handle my share of national security matters, but that focus on terrorism in the 21st century, I think has certainly changed the White House counsel’s job,’ says Nolan.

‘During my time in the White House, we were dealing with multiple congressional investigations. This White House is just starting to face that now, whereas in the first two years they didn’t really have to deal with that at all. That’s going to shift the role for the current White House counsel. But, in large part, I think in any general counsel position there’s certain bread and butter things you have to do. Sometimes it’s going to be more bread and butter, other times it’s a lot more cake and jam!’

I BEG YOUR…

Another potentially significant aspect of the White House counsel role – albeit one that could potentially be handled differently by every White House – is the thorny issue (even to this day) of the presidential pardon. The US Constitution allows for the President to issue pardons, or official forgiveness, to felons convicted of a federal offence. President Clinton issued a large number of pardons on his last day in office, sparking controversy.

‘We certainly handled pardons at the end of the administration in a way that was different from the way they’d been handled before, because the President really wanted to be sure that he was able to exercise his pardon power, and the rate of pardon recommendations coming out of the Justice Department was very slow. Although we tried to get people alerted that we wanted a faster process early on, things just didn’t proceed that way. We ended up in the White House reviewing some pardon applications directly, still working as closely as we could with the Justice Department,’ Nolan explains.

‘We would review their recommendations, in some cases we disagreed with their recommendations, and we’d advise the President that in some cases we agreed. We’d give the President – and also the chief of staff was involved in some of these as well – our best advice about whether or not to grant a pardon. But ultimately, it’s the President’s power – I read my copy of the Constitution and I didn’t actually see the counsel to the President being given any authority in this.’

One pardon in particular that stoked the flames of controversy, causing a federal prosecutor to be appointed to investigate its legality, was Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich. A financier and commodities trader indicted on charges of tax evasion and trading with Iran while the country was under embargo, Rich had fled the US.

‘I did testify about that after I left the White House – the President waived any privilege with respect to that pardon. I testified at the time that I did not recommend that you grant that pardon. I didn’t see anything improper about him granting the pardon, I just, as a matter of policy, didn’t think it was a good exercise of the authority. But, as I said, I had no doubt about the question of policy on who got to make that decision,’ says Nolan.

‘Congress and the US attorney all were interested enough to investigate the exercise of the pardon power – so it wasn’t treated as a hands-off issue completely. In fact, my very first day as counsel to the President, I was delivered a subpoena from Congress to testify about pardons that the President had granted before I even became counsel. So Congress has, in other times, not been shy about investigating or reviewing the exercise of the pardon power. I never felt tested as I didn’t see anything improper. I think that the President likely has the authority – Congress can complain about it – but it will be interesting to see if there are other limitations that get explored over time.’

WHITE HOUSE TO IN-HOUSE

After leaving the White House at the change of the administration, when President Clinton handed over the proverbial keys to President Bush, Nolan chose to tread a different path. Following a career spent working within the government apparatus, she pursued a brief tenure in private practice.

‘When I left the White House, I thought to myself that I really liked being a general counsel and knew that this type of role was a strong fit for me. But I also realised that while I’d had government jobs and academic jobs, I didn’t have any experience on the private side,’ says Nolan.

‘That’s why I chose to go into private practice, so I could get that exposure to a broad range of clients and legal issues, but perhaps most importantly, I needed to get some experience on the business side.’

‘The machinery of government transition never failed to awe me.’

Nolan would join Crowell & Moring as a partner, where she spent five years working in the firm’s white-collar and securities litigation practice – a period she credits with instilling the requisite broad-based knowledge to successfully assume a commercial in-house role.

‘Gaining that experience was really valuable for me, but I felt a strong desire to be a part of a team, not just an adviser to a team, but a member of the team with ownership of the matters on which I worked,’ she explains.

‘I also wanted a job where I felt aligned with the mission, so when the opportunity to return to George Washington University as general counsel arose, I knew it was one that resonated with me. I’d been a law professor there ten years earlier and it really hit the objectives that I was looking for. I think having served as a faculty member who had been through the tenure process only enhanced my ability and service as the general counsel.’

The opportunity to come back and serve as the chief legal adviser to the university that served as the springboard for her professional life ties the career of Nolan together with a bow that is almost too perfect – perhaps the final stop in a career which has truly come full circle.

A MOMENT OF REFLECTION

Looking back, Nolan exudes a sense of pride in being the first woman to serve as White House counsel, and in having played a role in felling a professional barrier for women. Since her appointment, two more women – Harriet Miers and Kathryn Ruemmier – have served.

‘But I think the feeling I had in the moment was mostly very personal. It was a mix of pride and excitement and sober awareness of the responsibility,’ she says.

‘And then I look forward, and what I look forward to is the day where there are no more firsts, and it’s not remarkable that a woman is appointed. I think we keep moving along that path. We’re not there yet, and I had that opportunity to be a first, but I’d love it if there were no more firsts.’

Now with the benefit of experience on her side, reflecting on a life in law which has spanned the pinnacles of government, academic, private practice and in-house functions, Nolan says that there’s no secret solution for success – but did offer some sage advice for the next generation:

‘I can only say what worked for me, and the important thing to consider is that what works for one person may not work for another. What worked for me is that I followed what interested me, I tried to know myself well enough to know exactly what that is,’ she says.

‘To add to that, I think one of the really important things is to figure out how you can be yourself at your job and, if that isn’t working, you have to focus on what needs to change. I’d say sometimes that’s the job, sometimes that’s you and sometimes that’s a combination. But use disappointment as a tool to learn and grow and, perhaps most importantly, don’t forget to enjoy the ride.’

GC Powerlist: United states 2019

Since we published our first GC Powerlist in the United States, the series has gone from strength to strength in countries ranging from Australia to Costa Rica, and South Africa to China. We have interviewed tens of thousands of general counsel, and highlighted some of the very best GCs and in-house teams around the world. And now, in early 2019, we find ourselves back with the United States. But for the biggest legal market, where do we go from here?

Simple answer: bigger. For the first time, we have expanded the GC Powerlist to include the leading 500 GCs, representing some of the largest global corporations, to tech-savvy start-ups and everything in between. And for the first time, we have also included the leading lights in legal operations, an area which is threatening to dominate the in-house conversation for the next decade.

The full GC Powerlist is available from 22 March 2019 at legal500.com/gcpowerlist, and features interviews and insight from the pre-eminent in-house leaders in the United States, including:

‘Last year, I had sole responsibility of negotiating with over 460 law firms on a comprehensive engagement agreement. This effort was the foundation of fundamental changes in how we engage and retain law firms,’ – Alan Bryan, Walmart.

‘The wider company has profited not only by the expert legal advice delivered in a non-judgemental, collegial way, but also by the sense of common purpose that results from a true partnership between in-house lawyers and their business clients,’ – James E Ballowe Jr, E*Trade.

‘The number one piece of advice I would give an aspiring in-house lawyer is to read and listen. I need to anticipate what’s coming so that business can be ahead of the curve,’ – Susan L Lees, Allstate.

‘I deeply believe that the legal function must be an integral part of the company, rather than viewed as standing in opposition to what the company is doing,’ – Rena Hozore Reiss, Marriott International.

The Legal 500’s GC Powerlist is sponsored by Linklaters, Basham and Yerra Solutions, and is supported by the International Bar Association and the Association of Corporate Counsel.